That means a massive proportion of people are now made more vulnerable. And they have used this scam-upon-scam to reimpose their measures. If we don't wake up, they will carry on until many more will die, more restrictions, ad nauseam!
I HOPE that those people foolish enough to take the vaxx after getting the vid are similarly protected, but I've seen some evidence that may not be the case.
1) "Vaccination has proven to be highly effective against COVID-19, especially against hospitalization and death and reduces the secondary attack rate within household"
2) "vaccination is preferred over infection to protect individuals against severe disease"
3) "these analyses [ie - this study] do not aim to determine the probability of getting infected after vaccination or previous infection"
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The study says that vaccines are better against the Beta variant compared to the other variants. It does not say that vaccines are not effective, or that vaccines reduce the capabilities of the immune system, or that it is better to be unvaccinated than to be vaccinated.
The authors stress that it is better to be vaccinated.
Because of the way cases are now defined, who cares about case numbers. The important thing is hospitalizations and deaths. And even their definitions can be suspect, especially here in the US.
Only infection has ever conferred critical and fatal outcome protection with coronaviruses through history. There are no exceptions. Not only have all previous attempts ended in failure several have resulted in vaccine-enhanced disease ripping through the vaccinated test subjects on re-challenge with several of those trials ending in the death of all or nearly all test subjects -- which were fortunately animals and not humans. This time around we have performed a mass experiment with zero evidence over a period of years to demonstrate that what has happened 100% of the time in the past will not happen again.
It appears we're losing that bet -- a loss that, on the basis of history, we had every reason to believe would happen and yet instead of every single firm manufacturing this crap being an instant zero several are being rewarded. What the hell sort of rampant, outrageous stupidity is that?
While the data is not yet in there is reason to believe, given the mutations described in this newest "variant", that the vaccinated may be ****ed as the mutations may confer full evasion and yet the binding antibodies you get from being jabbed are still there. If that pans out here comes the exact same thing that has repeatedly happened with coronavirus vaccine attempts except this time we were dumb enough to mass-vaccinate humans rather than a handful of cats.
Solution - twice weekly boosters for the first 8 weeks! What a mess. When those with the most knowledge, wisdom, and integrity aren't listened to ... Bless you for all you do and understand and warn of, and understand solutions for ...
" Some limitations of our study need to be addressed. Asymptomatic or mild cases with low viral load are less likely to be identified and only detectable infections can be sequenced and included. In addition, sequencing is more successful in samples with low to medium Ct values (high to medium viral load). If infection with Beta, Gamma or Delta leads to lower Ct values than Alpha and Ct values are higher for infections after vaccination30–32, this could have led to an overestimation of the studied association. Another limitation is that prior infections could go undetected, especially if occurred during the first wave when there was no mass scale testing capacity. This could lead to an underestimation of cases with a previous infection, as we do not directly measure pre-existing infection-induced immunity."
This graph is really great. You can see how delta hit with a bang. The fully vaccinated got delta just as their vaccines wore off. The Naive had been through several waves and were very likely not all that naive. The previous infected- no telling how long ago or how recent was their previous infection. And how long ago were the partially vaxed vaxed?
" Some limitations of our study need to be addressed. Asymptomatic or mild cases with low viral load are less likely to be identified and only detectable infections can be sequenced and included. In addition, sequencing is more successful in samples with low to medium Ct values (high to medium viral load). If infection with Beta, Gamma or Delta leads to lower Ct values than Alpha and Ct values are higher for infections after vaccination30–32, this could have led to an overestimation of the studied association. Another limitation is that prior infections could go undetected, especially if occurred during the first wave when there was no mass scale testing capacity. This could lead to an underestimation of cases with a previous infection, as we do not directly measure pre-existing infection-induced immunity."
This graph in the article is really great. You can see how delta hit with a bang. The fully vaccinated got delta just as their vaccines wore off. The Naive had been through several waves and were very likely not all that naive. The previous infected- no telling how long ago or how recent was their previous infection. And how long ago were the partially vaxed vaxed?
James Lyons-Weiler has a PhD in ecology not anything medical. He is not a medical doctor and he has been anti vaxx from the beginning of this so he is not a reliable source. I found the above when searching for the original Netherlands data which is nowhere to be found.
That means a massive proportion of people are now made more vulnerable. And they have used this scam-upon-scam to reimpose their measures. If we don't wake up, they will carry on until many more will die, more restrictions, ad nauseam!
We need to look at the bigger picture now.
Is there any significance inherent in the number of authors for studies? Sort of like a built-in peer review if there's more than 2-3? Just curious.
Want to read this one, hope I can understand it well enough to get the gist.
Thanks for the heads up, appreciate it.
I HOPE that those people foolish enough to take the vaxx after getting the vid are similarly protected, but I've seen some evidence that may not be the case.
Check mate!
No, that's not what the study shows and the abstract you quoted clearly contradicts your claims.
FROM THE NETHERLANDS STUDY:
1) "Vaccination has proven to be highly effective against COVID-19, especially against hospitalization and death and reduces the secondary attack rate within household"
2) "vaccination is preferred over infection to protect individuals against severe disease"
3) "these analyses [ie - this study] do not aim to determine the probability of getting infected after vaccination or previous infection"
==========
The study says that vaccines are better against the Beta variant compared to the other variants. It does not say that vaccines are not effective, or that vaccines reduce the capabilities of the immune system, or that it is better to be unvaccinated than to be vaccinated.
The authors stress that it is better to be vaccinated.
Because of the way cases are now defined, who cares about case numbers. The important thing is hospitalizations and deaths. And even their definitions can be suspect, especially here in the US.
Check out this article on the new variant and the vaccines crashing and burning.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244342
Only infection has ever conferred critical and fatal outcome protection with coronaviruses through history. There are no exceptions. Not only have all previous attempts ended in failure several have resulted in vaccine-enhanced disease ripping through the vaccinated test subjects on re-challenge with several of those trials ending in the death of all or nearly all test subjects -- which were fortunately animals and not humans. This time around we have performed a mass experiment with zero evidence over a period of years to demonstrate that what has happened 100% of the time in the past will not happen again.
It appears we're losing that bet -- a loss that, on the basis of history, we had every reason to believe would happen and yet instead of every single firm manufacturing this crap being an instant zero several are being rewarded. What the hell sort of rampant, outrageous stupidity is that?
While the data is not yet in there is reason to believe, given the mutations described in this newest "variant", that the vaccinated may be ****ed as the mutations may confer full evasion and yet the binding antibodies you get from being jabbed are still there. If that pans out here comes the exact same thing that has repeatedly happened with coronavirus vaccine attempts except this time we were dumb enough to mass-vaccinate humans rather than a handful of cats.
How about this statement,” Interestingly and of concern, individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2—or even just exposed—then vaccinated experienced an expedited decline in antibodies. Henry immediately used this fact to reinforce the importance of vaccination as well as booster.” https://trialsitenews.com/waning-mrna-vaccine-effectiveness-boosters-as-absolute-must-according-to-latest-study/
This is what Geert Vanden Bosche was saying would happen . They found this is a small study in San Francisco breakthrough cases also
Solution - twice weekly boosters for the first 8 weeks! What a mess. When those with the most knowledge, wisdom, and integrity aren't listened to ... Bless you for all you do and understand and warn of, and understand solutions for ...
where's the link?
From the study "
" Some limitations of our study need to be addressed. Asymptomatic or mild cases with low viral load are less likely to be identified and only detectable infections can be sequenced and included. In addition, sequencing is more successful in samples with low to medium Ct values (high to medium viral load). If infection with Beta, Gamma or Delta leads to lower Ct values than Alpha and Ct values are higher for infections after vaccination30–32, this could have led to an overestimation of the studied association. Another limitation is that prior infections could go undetected, especially if occurred during the first wave when there was no mass scale testing capacity. This could lead to an underestimation of cases with a previous infection, as we do not directly measure pre-existing infection-induced immunity."
This graph is really great. You can see how delta hit with a bang. The fully vaccinated got delta just as their vaccines wore off. The Naive had been through several waves and were very likely not all that naive. The previous infected- no telling how long ago or how recent was their previous infection. And how long ago were the partially vaxed vaxed?
From the article -
" Some limitations of our study need to be addressed. Asymptomatic or mild cases with low viral load are less likely to be identified and only detectable infections can be sequenced and included. In addition, sequencing is more successful in samples with low to medium Ct values (high to medium viral load). If infection with Beta, Gamma or Delta leads to lower Ct values than Alpha and Ct values are higher for infections after vaccination30–32, this could have led to an overestimation of the studied association. Another limitation is that prior infections could go undetected, especially if occurred during the first wave when there was no mass scale testing capacity. This could lead to an underestimation of cases with a previous infection, as we do not directly measure pre-existing infection-induced immunity."
This graph in the article is really great. You can see how delta hit with a bang. The fully vaccinated got delta just as their vaccines wore off. The Naive had been through several waves and were very likely not all that naive. The previous infected- no telling how long ago or how recent was their previous infection. And how long ago were the partially vaxed vaxed?
What is your opinion regarding reinfection (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2.full.pdf)
https://newsregister.com/article?articleTitle=county-covid-resolution-comes-under-attack-from-residents--1608064026--38914--
James Lyons-Weiler has a PhD in ecology not anything medical. He is not a medical doctor and he has been anti vaxx from the beginning of this so he is not a reliable source. I found the above when searching for the original Netherlands data which is nowhere to be found.