Honest question to someone with so much experience wth RFK Jr. What do you think he was doing when he said he "100% supported the CDC vaccine schedule"? And that "operation warp speed was an amazing accomplishment." What was going on? Was he lying to get into power to be able to make change? Does he actually support the schedule? Was he being "clinton-esque" and playing with words in some legalistic way? For all the good he has done, it's heartbreaking to have the man who capitalized on the anti-vax movement and all of us trying to protect our children go up there and say that. just heart-breaking. What in your opinion is actually going on?
This is an appointed position. He has obligations to the president. This is a public service position not an office for personal gain. RFK jr says he supports gold standard science and letting others be informed to make their own choices. I don't see his responses as either this or that, rather this AND that. There's room for everybody in the AND.
Mr. Lyons-Weiler has written about RFK Jr several times lately. Look over those to get an idea of his opinion. RFK Jr seems be the best candidate we've had in my lifetime to correct the health trajectory of our country. I agree with you Bobby's recent statements about vaccines are not ideal. But what we hear him stating now is not much different than what I've heard him say publicly before. He wants better less fraudulent studies for all vaxes, more accurate info for consent, and for personal choice to be respected and not vilified. In my opinion, he's being pragmatic. He seems to like the idea of vaccines but not the current processes involved in their studies, trials, approvals, administration, marketing, and pressure placed upon patients. His opinions are certainly better than his HHS predecessors, making him our best chance at producing healthier citizens.
Yeah, I agree. It is similar to past statements, but it's also confusing. How can you say you support the cdc schedule AND say that the studies haven't been done to support that schedule? How can you say that you support the schedule AND that the vaccines cause harm at levels the schedule doesn't take into account? It seems like a big change in policy frankly, and that he is alerting both the public and the congress to this change in his stance. He is now for the vaccines as they are, at least until proven otherwise. Does that mean I wouldn't vote for him? No, I would vote for a ham sandwich over 99.999999 percent of current politicians. Does that mean I am not grateful for his previous advocacy? Of course not. He put a lot of fantastic spotlight on vaccines and their danger. But that seemed to be a pretty significant statement, alerting us all to the compromise he seems to have made on this issue (most likely to get appointed and approved by the Trump admin and Republicans). It's a very very very very bitter pill to swallow. And I guess I think it's important that folks not run around acting like he is come kind of Saint. As the actual movement, we need to be holding his feet to the fire. Vaccines are poison. End of story. Anything else is propaganda or ignorance. Saying that you support injecting babies with poison 72 times is monstrous. Sure I would vote for him anyway, but I think it's important that we say that stuff as the actual living movement.
You can't stand for two diametrically opposed positions at the same time.
There is no need to vote for monsters or swallow lies or the liars that tell them.
The Kennedys are not saints. They are men and women like everyone else.
Thanks for all you're saying. It's true and valid and anyone who deifies another human being or places them above others or excludes or excuses them from standards they would not tolerate in themselves or those around them is -
a hypocrite. AND we know what Jesus had to say about hypocrites.
I agree that as a vaccines are poison movement, we should hold his feet to the fire. I'm sure he and Trump came to some type of understanding and agreement of responsibilities. Bobby did state to the Senators that his position will primarily be budgetary. Hopefully though, his influence will help make at least a few positive changes toward vaccines.
Choosing a lesser evil is choosing evil. There are any number of other candidates that can be nominated. Kennedy is not the only choice and so we don't need to compromise the health of especially our children to accomodate a man who is saying two diametrically opposing things are true.
It's beyond what you've stated. He's endorsed the CDCs childhood vaccine schedule of 80 + vaccinations prior to a child's age of five years, EIGHTY. Children will be harmed. That's a known fact.
He's said he will protect vaccines. That means he will protect the makers.
He's said he supports OPERATION WARP SPEED, an action so egregious I won't go into the immensity of tragic outcomes so many have suffered under that maladroit, some say malicious, action taken by Trump.
Kennedy has either lied or told his truth. If he lied it was UNDER OATH to tell the truth and if he is telling his truth either way is dangerous for the public.
No. I'm telling the truth and hopefully bursting a few hopium bubbles for the lives of the addicted.
And, as I've already said, I don't think Kennedy is the best choice and after his display of his lack of character I doubt he will improve health care.
I had no preconceived notions about what I might read in the comments. I've never been to this site before today.
I am speaking my mind truthfully.
If you have a problem with honest dialog so be it, but don't throw your problems on me.
You cannot stand for two diametrically opposed positions at the same time.
There is room for everybody when it comes to choosing between chocolate AND vanilla ice cream but not when it comes to life altering decisions.
There is no room to include all positions in some matters and Kennedy's stance on vaccination and it's harms or benefits is one. People will take actions based on what he says. They have and do consider what he says as being informed.
Many parents who have been under duress to vaccinate their children will see what Kennedy has said as a green light to vaccinate. He endorsed the CDC childhood schedule of 80 + vaccines before the age of five years. Children will be damaged. Some will die.
What he says and where he stands is crucial. Especially to children.
Though he may be beholden to Trump his FIRST responsibility is to the people of The United States of America. Period.
If he was lying in the Senate hearings he did so UNDER OATH. People wanted to hang Fauci for the same. If he's telling the truth that's extremely alarming.
Either way it speaks to a low character. He has had the opportunity to tell the truth and has left us, the citizens of The United States, who will pay his hefty salary, unable to determine what his truth is. That is not okay. Not at all.
Saying there's room to be pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine at the same time and that the two positions are equal is the same as saying -
Jesus and Muhammad and Buddha are all equal. It's all relative. There is no Truth.
Of course he was playing with words. What would you expect in that situation? Having a schedule is one thing, but what's in it and how they get there and whether it's consensual is another. And operation warp speed was, objectively, an amazing accomplishment, though how much was ready beforehand is unclear. Don't desert him now, just because he says what's necessary to clear the last hurdle.
I understand now. You see lying as playing with words.
While you may see OPERATION WARP SPEED objectively, I'd like you to say that you objectively see OWS as an amazing accomplishment to a child who has lost their parent or a mother who gave birth to a stillborn baby or a wife who lost a husband.
I'm sorry but I'm finding what you've written so morally objectionable I'm not going any further with you.
Senators who vote against Mr Kennedy - as well as Gabbard and Patel - need to be raked through the coals with the new and improved DoJ investigating every aspect of their miserable lives. Uncover every speck of dirt they may be hiding. Our election funds should pump millions into the campaigns of their opponents. REMOVE them from office ASAP.
Just do it instead of dragging it out Congress. If Dems don’t support isn’t their party DOA due to all the Dems that switched to Trump vote were aiming for Bobby to take the helm of health and AGRICULTURE in US ? One can hope they implode the progressive part of that party. Speaking as a MAGA. I like what RFK is saying as a no more vaxes person. Glad I avoided that jab
Thank you for letting us updated. It's a game changer! These attacks are relentless. It's exhausting. Sending more emails to our useless, tone deaf and power driven Washington state reps now!!
It’s a kangaroo court stylized as a mockery, recorded into the annals of history and very symbolic of the attrition that one must undergo in order to be part of the Presidential Administration of the land of the free, home of the brave. The Halls of Congress is the modern day colosseum, the Senators, the modern day lions, and the persons being interrogated are the modern day gladiators.
To be raked over the coals by a bunch of people who know little or nothing about health or human services but who hold the purse strings as to whether certain programs are funded, give these puppets an exaggerated sense of power and control. A power they don’t deserve as most of them are addicted to their powerful positions rather than the health of the citizens of the USA.
I never said that. I am well aware of the puppet strings they all have! I was just referring to the kangaroo court that reminded me of the Gladiator days. Were the Gladiators righteous? I don't think so, it was Bread and Circuses.
If you read my Substack, you will see that I am not partisan at all. The entire system sucks and I question anyone who wants to be in charge of it. Or shall I say, be in the cult of psychopaths.
Honest question to someone with so much experience wth RFK Jr. What do you think he was doing when he said he "100% supported the CDC vaccine schedule"? And that "operation warp speed was an amazing accomplishment." What was going on? Was he lying to get into power to be able to make change? Does he actually support the schedule? Was he being "clinton-esque" and playing with words in some legalistic way? For all the good he has done, it's heartbreaking to have the man who capitalized on the anti-vax movement and all of us trying to protect our children go up there and say that. just heart-breaking. What in your opinion is actually going on?
This is an appointed position. He has obligations to the president. This is a public service position not an office for personal gain. RFK jr says he supports gold standard science and letting others be informed to make their own choices. I don't see his responses as either this or that, rather this AND that. There's room for everybody in the AND.
That's pure doublespeak ripped from the pages of Orwell's 1984.
Mr. Lyons-Weiler has written about RFK Jr several times lately. Look over those to get an idea of his opinion. RFK Jr seems be the best candidate we've had in my lifetime to correct the health trajectory of our country. I agree with you Bobby's recent statements about vaccines are not ideal. But what we hear him stating now is not much different than what I've heard him say publicly before. He wants better less fraudulent studies for all vaxes, more accurate info for consent, and for personal choice to be respected and not vilified. In my opinion, he's being pragmatic. He seems to like the idea of vaccines but not the current processes involved in their studies, trials, approvals, administration, marketing, and pressure placed upon patients. His opinions are certainly better than his HHS predecessors, making him our best chance at producing healthier citizens.
Yeah, I agree. It is similar to past statements, but it's also confusing. How can you say you support the cdc schedule AND say that the studies haven't been done to support that schedule? How can you say that you support the schedule AND that the vaccines cause harm at levels the schedule doesn't take into account? It seems like a big change in policy frankly, and that he is alerting both the public and the congress to this change in his stance. He is now for the vaccines as they are, at least until proven otherwise. Does that mean I wouldn't vote for him? No, I would vote for a ham sandwich over 99.999999 percent of current politicians. Does that mean I am not grateful for his previous advocacy? Of course not. He put a lot of fantastic spotlight on vaccines and their danger. But that seemed to be a pretty significant statement, alerting us all to the compromise he seems to have made on this issue (most likely to get appointed and approved by the Trump admin and Republicans). It's a very very very very bitter pill to swallow. And I guess I think it's important that folks not run around acting like he is come kind of Saint. As the actual movement, we need to be holding his feet to the fire. Vaccines are poison. End of story. Anything else is propaganda or ignorance. Saying that you support injecting babies with poison 72 times is monstrous. Sure I would vote for him anyway, but I think it's important that we say that stuff as the actual living movement.
You can't stand for two diametrically opposed positions at the same time.
There is no need to vote for monsters or swallow lies or the liars that tell them.
The Kennedys are not saints. They are men and women like everyone else.
Thanks for all you're saying. It's true and valid and anyone who deifies another human being or places them above others or excludes or excuses them from standards they would not tolerate in themselves or those around them is -
a hypocrite. AND we know what Jesus had to say about hypocrites.
I agree that as a vaccines are poison movement, we should hold his feet to the fire. I'm sure he and Trump came to some type of understanding and agreement of responsibilities. Bobby did state to the Senators that his position will primarily be budgetary. Hopefully though, his influence will help make at least a few positive changes toward vaccines.
Choosing a lesser evil is choosing evil. There are any number of other candidates that can be nominated. Kennedy is not the only choice and so we don't need to compromise the health of especially our children to accomodate a man who is saying two diametrically opposing things are true.
It's beyond what you've stated. He's endorsed the CDCs childhood vaccine schedule of 80 + vaccinations prior to a child's age of five years, EIGHTY. Children will be harmed. That's a known fact.
He's said he will protect vaccines. That means he will protect the makers.
He's said he supports OPERATION WARP SPEED, an action so egregious I won't go into the immensity of tragic outcomes so many have suffered under that maladroit, some say malicious, action taken by Trump.
Kennedy has either lied or told his truth. If he lied it was UNDER OATH to tell the truth and if he is telling his truth either way is dangerous for the public.
Sounds like you're just here to be negative about what is the best opportunity to improve health the US has had in decades.
No. I'm telling the truth and hopefully bursting a few hopium bubbles for the lives of the addicted.
And, as I've already said, I don't think Kennedy is the best choice and after his display of his lack of character I doubt he will improve health care.
I had no preconceived notions about what I might read in the comments. I've never been to this site before today.
I am speaking my mind truthfully.
If you have a problem with honest dialog so be it, but don't throw your problems on me.
Thanks.
So now it's just "I doubt he will improve health care". What happened to the certainty?
You cannot stand for two diametrically opposed positions at the same time.
There is room for everybody when it comes to choosing between chocolate AND vanilla ice cream but not when it comes to life altering decisions.
There is no room to include all positions in some matters and Kennedy's stance on vaccination and it's harms or benefits is one. People will take actions based on what he says. They have and do consider what he says as being informed.
Many parents who have been under duress to vaccinate their children will see what Kennedy has said as a green light to vaccinate. He endorsed the CDC childhood schedule of 80 + vaccines before the age of five years. Children will be damaged. Some will die.
What he says and where he stands is crucial. Especially to children.
Though he may be beholden to Trump his FIRST responsibility is to the people of The United States of America. Period.
If he was lying in the Senate hearings he did so UNDER OATH. People wanted to hang Fauci for the same. If he's telling the truth that's extremely alarming.
Either way it speaks to a low character. He has had the opportunity to tell the truth and has left us, the citizens of The United States, who will pay his hefty salary, unable to determine what his truth is. That is not okay. Not at all.
Saying there's room to be pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine at the same time and that the two positions are equal is the same as saying -
Jesus and Muhammad and Buddha are all equal. It's all relative. There is no Truth.
Of course he was playing with words. What would you expect in that situation? Having a schedule is one thing, but what's in it and how they get there and whether it's consensual is another. And operation warp speed was, objectively, an amazing accomplishment, though how much was ready beforehand is unclear. Don't desert him now, just because he says what's necessary to clear the last hurdle.
He was lying either way.
I understand now. You see lying as playing with words.
While you may see OPERATION WARP SPEED objectively, I'd like you to say that you objectively see OWS as an amazing accomplishment to a child who has lost their parent or a mother who gave birth to a stillborn baby or a wife who lost a husband.
I'm sorry but I'm finding what you've written so morally objectionable I'm not going any further with you.
God Bless.
I see you don't know what "objectively" means, but that's not surprising. You can keep your blessing.
Senators who vote against Mr Kennedy - as well as Gabbard and Patel - need to be raked through the coals with the new and improved DoJ investigating every aspect of their miserable lives. Uncover every speck of dirt they may be hiding. Our election funds should pump millions into the campaigns of their opponents. REMOVE them from office ASAP.
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Just do it instead of dragging it out Congress. If Dems don’t support isn’t their party DOA due to all the Dems that switched to Trump vote were aiming for Bobby to take the helm of health and AGRICULTURE in US ? One can hope they implode the progressive part of that party. Speaking as a MAGA. I like what RFK is saying as a no more vaxes person. Glad I avoided that jab
Thank you for letting us updated. It's a game changer! These attacks are relentless. It's exhausting. Sending more emails to our useless, tone deaf and power driven Washington state reps now!!
It’s a kangaroo court stylized as a mockery, recorded into the annals of history and very symbolic of the attrition that one must undergo in order to be part of the Presidential Administration of the land of the free, home of the brave. The Halls of Congress is the modern day colosseum, the Senators, the modern day lions, and the persons being interrogated are the modern day gladiators.
To be raked over the coals by a bunch of people who know little or nothing about health or human services but who hold the purse strings as to whether certain programs are funded, give these puppets an exaggerated sense of power and control. A power they don’t deserve as most of them are addicted to their powerful positions rather than the health of the citizens of the USA.
So...you assume Trump and Vance and Kennedy are NOT puppets though everyone else is a puppet? Interesting....
I never said that. I am well aware of the puppet strings they all have! I was just referring to the kangaroo court that reminded me of the Gladiator days. Were the Gladiators righteous? I don't think so, it was Bread and Circuses.
It read like you thought the gladiator characters and those being "raked over the coals" were victims of the process.
Thanks for clarifying.
They are all in it together.
So just give up, right? Why bother to even comment?
If you read my Substack, you will see that I am not partisan at all. The entire system sucks and I question anyone who wants to be in charge of it. Or shall I say, be in the cult of psychopaths.