On Del Bigtree's show, The Highwire, Neil deGrasse Tyson committed two classic logical fallacies, and it's important that you know what those fallacies are so you can recognize them as well.
Del was right to bring him on, but his arguments were very unimpressive especially repeating “consensus”. He just came off as a sell out to me. He could understand the issue but chose not to because it wouldn’t help his career.
Del is over-optimistic about human nature. And that makes him resort to influence-methodology over reason too often. He will learn how wrong he is soon enough.
Del was using the wrong arguments with him. What deGrass Tyson meant by "consensus science" was when there is a consensus between the results of a majority of studies that were studying the same thing. Del needed to point out that a lot of studies whose results align with the consensus that deGpass Tyson is so fond of are manipulated, rather than follow the scientific method.
I think Del actually addressed that at one point, at least indirectly. And I was shocked to see Neil not challenge it. At that point I think he should have combined that with all the anecdotal evidence of how unsafe the vaccines are and point out that the HHS is seemingly ignoring it. While also withholding a lot of data from the scientific community. At which point I would contend that to push for mandates and such under those circumstances is insane.
If he did talk about manipulated studies, it went right by me. I think he should have picked points that directly challenged Tyson's cherished principles and assumptions, and left out the rest of the kitchen sink he was throwing at him. I would have liked to find out if Tyson really understood all the statistical tricks that have been used to portray vaccines as more safe and effective than they really are.
Yeah, and the systematic skewing of data in multiple ways. It seemed that part of Neil's strategy was to take all the time on what he wanted to talk about. I think that had Del frustrated already by the time he got to finally talk.
Yes, but was the real purpose of the interview to convince de Grasse Tyson (who is clearly far too blinded by his ego and other perverse incentives to be at all able to get it), or to reveal to those watching and listening exactly how unscientific and unreliable he is as a source of understanding the science around "covid"?
Finally got around to seeing the whole thing. Obviously, de Grasse Tyson was far from covering himself with glory and too pigheaded to listen. But I seriously doubt this would move the needle with normies at all, and I found Del's sucking up to him and making too many unnecessary concessions hard to take.
I saw it as an open door if others like de Grasse Tyson want to come along and discuss these issues with Del. At least the invitation is there. Yes, it was hard to take, but dialogue has to happen, somehow.
To modify my last comment: I suggest anyone who wants to share Del's video include this article. My experience is that the normies I know wouldn't actually read it <sigh>.
ScottandJodi Wayland, your comment inspired a great guffaw - got my day off to a wonderful start. Brilliant touche' in eight words. Delicious! Thank you!
It was difficult to watch. He continued to deflect responsibility; yet he went public parroting the narrative....based on his false belief that other "consensus scientists" had done the research. And that the data was clear and unbiased. That is religious or ideological belief if I ever heard one.
Precisely. My conclusion about de Grasse Tyson was that he "believes in Science" just the way Fauci wants him to. "Science" is his religion. It was sickening to listen to the man. I was sorry to see Del Bigtree wade so far into de Grasse Tyson's mud in an attempt to reach him.
Yes Kayla Wildman , Del Bigtree did try to reach Neil Degrasse Tyson and I saw Del’s frustration of the answers he was getting from him , in my way of thinking the beginning of interview when Neil talked about truths that there’re three truths that he breaks down in his book “really” from a analytic Scientific point of view to me that’s bullshit , there’s one truth and facts it’s your conclusion from those facts are what usually in error
the other two he mentioned are beliefs not truths demonstrably different……….
That argument is especially invalidated by the manipulation of public opinion carried out by social media, publishing platforms, and legacy TV, magazines, and newspapers. We now know (as if it weren’t obvious from the start) that that manipulation was at the behest of government functionaries whose stated agenda was to manipulate public opinion!
I should add that scientists and physicians were subject to intimidation tactics involving loss of tenure, employment, and reputation l, including retraction of papers “with no reason given.
.....NGT, is one of THE most scientifically-illiterate creatures on Earth (as REPEATEDLY demonstrated for YEARS, made institutionally UNable to effectively contextualize NEW evidence) and REGARDLESS whether HE responded intelligently, had I been provided an opportunity, would've torn his rationales to PIECES - for MOST issues with modern-disease states, DO have UNMISTAKABLE macrocosmic ANALOGS in.....ASTROphysics as WELL, relative to multiversal (I'm definitely not a FAN of the more-INarticulating term 'dimension'; BADLY misused TOO long already) resonant informational effects (have come to realize with these past several months, that those at the so-called 'quantum' - how I now HATE that WORD - scale, MUST be increasingly-reduced HARMONIC expressions of same predicated by distribution of medial densities; their uniformity).....so VERY glad I followed my STRONG instincts to NOT watch this past Thursday - or, MIGHT be NEEDING another PC monitor today.....
......ohhhh, an aside: since I mentioned astrophysics, was NOT happy with the tone of Del's Dane Wigington / Geoengineering Watch interview ALL around some weeks ago, and let ICAN's management KNOW my irritation - but it FAILED to say ONE word about a potentially-MASSIVE concern, looming FAST.....very FEW on this planet, are even AWARE that its magnetic field has been weakening at a rate of 5% annually, while associated North & South polar orientations, appear to be CONVERGING in the Indian Ocean.....bad ENOUGH that, as Arthur Firstenberg (who has bafflingly RENOUNCED all OTHER forms of NGO ecosystemic modification) alerted humanity to a WIDESCALE die-off of PREVIOUSLY-resilient (for MANY millennia) AMPHIBIAE, resulting from like SO much else, VASTLY-expanded sustained exposures to wireless radiation - but, I'm EXTREMELY concerned for how such a PROFOUND alteration - to say NOTHING of THE most bioelectrically-reactive agents EVER introduced to MULTIPLE genomes will, ARE impacting BILLIONS of VITAL organisms.....https://cellphonetaskforce.org/amphibians-in-the-mine/
.....or MORE accurately - as the late Ed Leedskalnin tacitly suggested, 'MAGNETONS' - though ONLY refining Neils Bohr's conclusions; 'electrons' an ARBITRARY term / distinction, 'electricity' a SLIGHTLY more-complex, axial form of magnetic expression - and all HE ever did was move 2 MILLION pounds of oolite coral into place, (some, TWICE) by CLOSELY observing geophysical aspects around Florida and 'Bloch (i.e., ZERO charge directionality) Zone' manipulation potentials to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce their weight / provide non-natural RESISTANCE to GRAVITIC properties; COMPLETING his 'Coral Castle' (while its very CONFIGURATION, astronomically INDICATED as much) at APPROXIMATELY 7:30 EST on September 10, 1923 (yes, its centennial is THIS year - see R.L Poole's groundbreaking book 'The Leedskalnin Codex' for FURTHER details.....)
.....ALSO recommend Miles Mathis' (with whose conclusions I definitely DON'T completely agree) essay on what produces this SECONDARY magnetic effect called 'gravity' and I call, 'graCAVITATION'; displacement compensating for ability to RECONCILE such perpetual resonance (another RELATED: variably-subjective TEMPORALITY) - so that aggregate COHERENCE, isn't compromised - or even LOST entirely.....http://milesmathis.com/index.html
Possibly, but likely requires "dark matter" (mirror or Alice) to conjoin inductors using both to combine spin 1 electromagnetism into spin 2 gravity. (Probably no "right hand rule" for gravity.)
He submits that strength of gravitic (AND levitational effects) are directly related to an object's angle to the 'charge field', SaHiB (something I believe both Bearden & Hutchison. others have concluded THEMSELVES) - his interpretation of just WHAT that IS and mine, may be VERY different though - I haven't ventured into the linked book JUST yet: FAR too much work to do still......
Yeah... I didn't mean to imply the problem was limited to dark matter.... Hard to find parts of standard science that do make sense these days. I believe engineering that does actually work, and some related science
MY issue is when such conditions are interdisciplinarily EXTRAPOLATED to make VITALLY-important policy for ALL of us, Jeff - NO harm in DEEPLY contemplating matters otherwise.....
No - rather, that it's OK to hypothesize; actually a VITAL part of the 'scientific process', and introducing new ideas for WIDER contemplation; JUST because a disingenuously-VAUNTED DeGrasse Tyson (OR Fauci; PARDON me while I do VOMIT at THAT notion) voices a viewpoint, DOESN'T automatically VALIDATE it for MANY others (but they DEPEND upon making them, US be societally perceived as INCAPABLE of such INFORMED consideration.....)
I was shocked when Del said he thought Neil would help him get his concerns to the broader scientific community. That's where I think Del is naive. Neil has never seemed to me to be anything but a consensus propagandist. Big science is just a branch of big government. As such, it is saturated with conflicts of interest. WAKE UP, DEL!!
I tuned out when he came on. Popped into chat a could times to drop Dr David Martin's prosecutenow.io website and Dr Richard Fleming's flemingmethod.com 10 Letters website to share the documents you can send to all Governors, Attorney Generals, and local County Prosecutors. Also posted one of Billy Goat Gates favorite book titles "How To Lie With Statistics," as a direct suggestion for NGT.
Yes Jayne Doe especially the interview with Dr Robert Fleming by Gary Null on the 10 Letters in which I’m sure Neil Degrasse Tysons is totally clueless about , again I’m shocked that Neil went on a program to be so unprepared as a scientist to know really nothing about the topic of COVID-19 virus and the vaccine “the mRNA injectables to be precise” and just to regurgitate what he heard from the talking heads on topic from the media
This was hard to watch. It's hard to see someone so smart be so blinded and downright ignorant. Is it willful? Is it not? Is he getting paid? It's disorienting.
My guess is he is blinded by his political beliefs. 🫣
Del was right to bring him on, but his arguments were very unimpressive especially repeating “consensus”. He just came off as a sell out to me. He could understand the issue but chose not to because it wouldn’t help his career.
Del is over-optimistic about human nature. And that makes him resort to influence-methodology over reason too often. He will learn how wrong he is soon enough.
Del was using the wrong arguments with him. What deGrass Tyson meant by "consensus science" was when there is a consensus between the results of a majority of studies that were studying the same thing. Del needed to point out that a lot of studies whose results align with the consensus that deGpass Tyson is so fond of are manipulated, rather than follow the scientific method.
I think Del actually addressed that at one point, at least indirectly. And I was shocked to see Neil not challenge it. At that point I think he should have combined that with all the anecdotal evidence of how unsafe the vaccines are and point out that the HHS is seemingly ignoring it. While also withholding a lot of data from the scientific community. At which point I would contend that to push for mandates and such under those circumstances is insane.
If he did talk about manipulated studies, it went right by me. I think he should have picked points that directly challenged Tyson's cherished principles and assumptions, and left out the rest of the kitchen sink he was throwing at him. I would have liked to find out if Tyson really understood all the statistical tricks that have been used to portray vaccines as more safe and effective than they really are.
Yeah, and the systematic skewing of data in multiple ways. It seemed that part of Neil's strategy was to take all the time on what he wanted to talk about. I think that had Del frustrated already by the time he got to finally talk.
He was a steam roller but also boring. His arguments not only weren’t convincing, they were just boring, no fascinating insights there!
Yes, but was the real purpose of the interview to convince de Grasse Tyson (who is clearly far too blinded by his ego and other perverse incentives to be at all able to get it), or to reveal to those watching and listening exactly how unscientific and unreliable he is as a source of understanding the science around "covid"?
Finally got around to seeing the whole thing. Obviously, de Grasse Tyson was far from covering himself with glory and too pigheaded to listen. But I seriously doubt this would move the needle with normies at all, and I found Del's sucking up to him and making too many unnecessary concessions hard to take.
I saw it as an open door if others like de Grasse Tyson want to come along and discuss these issues with Del. At least the invitation is there. Yes, it was hard to take, but dialogue has to happen, somehow.
To modify my last comment: I suggest anyone who wants to share Del's video include this article. My experience is that the normies I know wouldn't actually read it <sigh>.
I was embarrassed for him, all he had was repeating the consensus talking point.
At one point he had the nerve to suggest Del examine all the glorious studies, unless I imagined it.
I think Del handled a blind zealot just about as well as one could.
Excellent! Very much needed clarification and emphasis! THANK YOU!!!
Thank you for this commentary. It was difficult to "hear" the things that he was saying as they at times conflicted with logic.
It was difficult. Downright ridiculous to hear someone so intelligent be so (willfully?) blind.
.....but is he REALLY 'so intelligent', Becky - or JUST [conventionally] PORTRAYED as being?
RHETORICAL question, that......
He probably took a course at the Tavistock Institute.
The consensus is clear: Tyson is a hack.
I no longer watch him. He's into self-promotion. I don't like him (but so what?).
ScottandJodi Wayland, your comment inspired a great guffaw - got my day off to a wonderful start. Brilliant touche' in eight words. Delicious! Thank you!
It was difficult to watch. He continued to deflect responsibility; yet he went public parroting the narrative....based on his false belief that other "consensus scientists" had done the research. And that the data was clear and unbiased. That is religious or ideological belief if I ever heard one.
Precisely. My conclusion about de Grasse Tyson was that he "believes in Science" just the way Fauci wants him to. "Science" is his religion. It was sickening to listen to the man. I was sorry to see Del Bigtree wade so far into de Grasse Tyson's mud in an attempt to reach him.
Yes Kayla Wildman , Del Bigtree did try to reach Neil Degrasse Tyson and I saw Del’s frustration of the answers he was getting from him , in my way of thinking the beginning of interview when Neil talked about truths that there’re three truths that he breaks down in his book “really” from a analytic Scientific point of view to me that’s bullshit , there’s one truth and facts it’s your conclusion from those facts are what usually in error
the other two he mentioned are beliefs not truths demonstrably different……….
That argument is especially invalidated by the manipulation of public opinion carried out by social media, publishing platforms, and legacy TV, magazines, and newspapers. We now know (as if it weren’t obvious from the start) that that manipulation was at the behest of government functionaries whose stated agenda was to manipulate public opinion!
I should add that scientists and physicians were subject to intimidation tactics involving loss of tenure, employment, and reputation l, including retraction of papers “with no reason given.
.....NGT, is one of THE most scientifically-illiterate creatures on Earth (as REPEATEDLY demonstrated for YEARS, made institutionally UNable to effectively contextualize NEW evidence) and REGARDLESS whether HE responded intelligently, had I been provided an opportunity, would've torn his rationales to PIECES - for MOST issues with modern-disease states, DO have UNMISTAKABLE macrocosmic ANALOGS in.....ASTROphysics as WELL, relative to multiversal (I'm definitely not a FAN of the more-INarticulating term 'dimension'; BADLY misused TOO long already) resonant informational effects (have come to realize with these past several months, that those at the so-called 'quantum' - how I now HATE that WORD - scale, MUST be increasingly-reduced HARMONIC expressions of same predicated by distribution of medial densities; their uniformity).....so VERY glad I followed my STRONG instincts to NOT watch this past Thursday - or, MIGHT be NEEDING another PC monitor today.....
......ohhhh, an aside: since I mentioned astrophysics, was NOT happy with the tone of Del's Dane Wigington / Geoengineering Watch interview ALL around some weeks ago, and let ICAN's management KNOW my irritation - but it FAILED to say ONE word about a potentially-MASSIVE concern, looming FAST.....very FEW on this planet, are even AWARE that its magnetic field has been weakening at a rate of 5% annually, while associated North & South polar orientations, appear to be CONVERGING in the Indian Ocean.....bad ENOUGH that, as Arthur Firstenberg (who has bafflingly RENOUNCED all OTHER forms of NGO ecosystemic modification) alerted humanity to a WIDESCALE die-off of PREVIOUSLY-resilient (for MANY millennia) AMPHIBIAE, resulting from like SO much else, VASTLY-expanded sustained exposures to wireless radiation - but, I'm EXTREMELY concerned for how such a PROFOUND alteration - to say NOTHING of THE most bioelectrically-reactive agents EVER introduced to MULTIPLE genomes will, ARE impacting BILLIONS of VITAL organisms.....https://cellphonetaskforce.org/amphibians-in-the-mine/
Neil defraud Tyson.......after seeing him on the Dave bet podcast I lost all respect for him. Another self serving egotistical hack.
Astrophysics consensus is extremely dubious... Dark matter is modern day phlogiston... So this isn't that surprising unfortunately
Explain neutrinos, as well as CP violation. Phlogiston is electrons.
.....or MORE accurately - as the late Ed Leedskalnin tacitly suggested, 'MAGNETONS' - though ONLY refining Neils Bohr's conclusions; 'electrons' an ARBITRARY term / distinction, 'electricity' a SLIGHTLY more-complex, axial form of magnetic expression - and all HE ever did was move 2 MILLION pounds of oolite coral into place, (some, TWICE) by CLOSELY observing geophysical aspects around Florida and 'Bloch (i.e., ZERO charge directionality) Zone' manipulation potentials to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce their weight / provide non-natural RESISTANCE to GRAVITIC properties; COMPLETING his 'Coral Castle' (while its very CONFIGURATION, astronomically INDICATED as much) at APPROXIMATELY 7:30 EST on September 10, 1923 (yes, its centennial is THIS year - see R.L Poole's groundbreaking book 'The Leedskalnin Codex' for FURTHER details.....)
.....ALSO recommend Miles Mathis' (with whose conclusions I definitely DON'T completely agree) essay on what produces this SECONDARY magnetic effect called 'gravity' and I call, 'graCAVITATION'; displacement compensating for ability to RECONCILE such perpetual resonance (another RELATED: variably-subjective TEMPORALITY) - so that aggregate COHERENCE, isn't compromised - or even LOST entirely.....http://milesmathis.com/index.html
Possibly, but likely requires "dark matter" (mirror or Alice) to conjoin inductors using both to combine spin 1 electromagnetism into spin 2 gravity. (Probably no "right hand rule" for gravity.)
He submits that strength of gravitic (AND levitational effects) are directly related to an object's angle to the 'charge field', SaHiB (something I believe both Bearden & Hutchison. others have concluded THEMSELVES) - his interpretation of just WHAT that IS and mine, may be VERY different though - I haven't ventured into the linked book JUST yet: FAR too much work to do still......
You suggest he lightened (levitated) the coral rather than cleverly using leverage?
EXACTLY - optimizing results of such efforts, by timing them with astronomical aspects, alignments....
Yeah... I didn't mean to imply the problem was limited to dark matter.... Hard to find parts of standard science that do make sense these days. I believe engineering that does actually work, and some related science
"Science in astrophysics requires far more reliance on untested induction for longer periods of time than research in medicine and in biology."
How true!! Neil is a shallow thinker, but it pays better in this world, unfortunately.
MY issue is when such conditions are interdisciplinarily EXTRAPOLATED to make VITALLY-important policy for ALL of us, Jeff - NO harm in DEEPLY contemplating matters otherwise.....
What in the context are you referring to by "otherwise?"
WITHOUT requirement - or, PRIVILEGE - of MAKING official policy merely BY such review.....
I'm still confused. Are you saying that Del did not DEEPLY contemplate in his responses to Neil?
No - rather, that it's OK to hypothesize; actually a VITAL part of the 'scientific process', and introducing new ideas for WIDER contemplation; JUST because a disingenuously-VAUNTED DeGrasse Tyson (OR Fauci; PARDON me while I do VOMIT at THAT notion) voices a viewpoint, DOESN'T automatically VALIDATE it for MANY others (but they DEPEND upon making them, US be societally perceived as INCAPABLE of such INFORMED consideration.....)
Indeed.
I was shocked when Del said he thought Neil would help him get his concerns to the broader scientific community. That's where I think Del is naive. Neil has never seemed to me to be anything but a consensus propagandist. Big science is just a branch of big government. As such, it is saturated with conflicts of interest. WAKE UP, DEL!!
Science communicators are a useful tool, similar to what fact checkers have become.
Truly strange times.
I tuned out when he came on. Popped into chat a could times to drop Dr David Martin's prosecutenow.io website and Dr Richard Fleming's flemingmethod.com 10 Letters website to share the documents you can send to all Governors, Attorney Generals, and local County Prosecutors. Also posted one of Billy Goat Gates favorite book titles "How To Lie With Statistics," as a direct suggestion for NGT.
.....or as I refer to that extended Rockefeller 'family' WHELP, 'The Man-Boy BLUNDER'.....
Yes Jayne Doe especially the interview with Dr Robert Fleming by Gary Null on the 10 Letters in which I’m sure Neil Degrasse Tysons is totally clueless about , again I’m shocked that Neil went on a program to be so unprepared as a scientist to know really nothing about the topic of COVID-19 virus and the vaccine “the mRNA injectables to be precise” and just to regurgitate what he heard from the talking heads on topic from the media
This was hard to watch. It's hard to see someone so smart be so blinded and downright ignorant. Is it willful? Is it not? Is he getting paid? It's disorienting.
A few months ago I sent a message to NDT letting him know he’d lost my respect.