People on this planet have a 0.00076% chance of running into anyone with Monkeypox. Yet, somehow, 90 breakthrough cases were found in a study in Chicago among the vaccinated.
could someone kindly elaborate on 'absolute' versus 'relative' risk. As I recall Pfizer showed in its studies the 'relative' effectiveness of the vaxx compared to placebo, though what they should have done is compare vaxx effectiveness general population. So how does this apply here with monkeypox (btw the 'k' in Monkeypox is silent :-)
thank you for your swift reply. Unfortunately that's not my area of expertise (as a psychologist/therapist I can tell you that many people did not take the Covid vaxx because they were so worried that they would die - though of course for some that is applicable - but mainly to 'do their bit' and because they were told that EVERYBODY needs to and IS (allegedly) doing this). I asked in the hope that someone could do the ARR calculation for monkeypox vaxx.
I had a course in statistics in (engineering)college and my main takeaway was, “wow- I had no idea there were so many ways to mathematically ‘spin’ things!”. It can get pretty convoluted.
I wish every high school would teach basic calculations such as relative vs absolute reduction. People would be empowered to make much better choices in their lives!
Thank you! I"m hoping carefully reading and re-reading this post along with watching and re-watching the videos in the IPAK Vaccine Math course, will help me wrap my mind around "Vaccine Math".
Thanks for including "Vaccine Math" in this post!!!
A look at the history of smallpox vaxxination ( ie. In ‘Dissolving illusions’ by Dr Suzanne Humphries ) describes how the smallpox vax caused MORE cases of what was diagnosed as smallpox and more deaths in the resulting epidemics than prior to the onset of the vax. There were also many cases of erisypelas and exzema vaccinatum which could cause excruciating death, as a result of the vaxxxine . The skin problems following the CV-19 vax. Could be a result of general immune system suppression or be due to an auto-immune attack on the desmogleins which are structures which normally hold the skin layers together- which would lead to skin breakdown and blistering. I believe that introducing a smallpox vaxxine to an immune -suppressed population ( following the degradation caused by cv-19 vaxx) has been planned to cause maximum devastation and that this maybe why Bill Gates gleefully predicted that we ‘would notice the next epidemic!!’It has been suggested that gay men tend to have more regular health check-ups which is why they get ‘tested for ‘ monkey -pox ( with a PCR-Test?!) more than the general population and as we know from the HIV/ AIDS debacle , they are a population prone to being discriminated against by certain members of the medical profession ( see ‘The Real Anthony Fauci ‘ by RFK jr , for example) . I believe that the only way a human can become affected by a zoonotic disease is when foreign matter is injected into us. ( e.g. Respiratory Syncitial Virus is actually , re-named Chimpanzee Choryza Virus , which is transferred via polio vaxxines .
Could it be that those who get vaccinated for monkeypox are also those more likely to engage in sexual practices that are more likely to lead to monkeypox infection?
I just realized I misread the original comment. I suspect people who took the monkeypox vaccine felt protected and therefore felt more comfortable engaging in high-risk behavior. What BAbbott said...
or at least those who were vaccinated believed themselves immune so didn't take any precautions that the rest of the unvaccinated population takes....?
All plausible. If vaccination causes transient immunosuppression, this could be factor. Diagnosis involves PCR, but they use bona fide controls per test, last I checked.
The protocol for monkeypox has shifted to the BS approach for COVID-19, it's a smoking gun.
During the first 2 weeks after injection, the drug actually suppresses the immune system and makes you more vulnerable to infection? This happened with Covid shots.
Hey, genius, you don't get what's going on here, do you. If you used rational discourse, my response would be: "Yes, that's certainly a possibility".
BUT - that still does not explain the non-representativeness of the risk of infection in this study population compared to the global baseline.
Because you were nasty, and not rational, you get raspberries.
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Plus, I linked to the study, so there's no omission. You're not welcome to play Popular Rationalism given your nastiness.
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You forgot a question mark.
Further, "MAY" is speculation, not data. Speculation never trumps data.
He linked to caveats and asked questions. Let go of the projections. Still waiting on that apology for falsely accusing me of fraud.
You almost contributed to constructive conversation here. Just need a little polishing of the attitude.
How does natural immunity work with monkeypox? A lot of people are taking the natural vaccine rectally.
Fuck off and go back to YouTube with that bullshit
lol thanks. Spam is not welcome here. I like your technique!
Lol. Sorry, I was kind of surprised to see that here in Substack, and thought, “Oh no… they’ve found us.”
could someone kindly elaborate on 'absolute' versus 'relative' risk. As I recall Pfizer showed in its studies the 'relative' effectiveness of the vaxx compared to placebo, though what they should have done is compare vaxx effectiveness general population. So how does this apply here with monkeypox (btw the 'k' in Monkeypox is silent :-)
I think you mean "Absolute Risk Reduction"?
Absolute risk = the # of events (good or bad) in treated or control groups, divided by the number of people in that group (call this AR)
Absolute Risk Control = the AR of events in the control group (call this ARC)
Absolute Risk Treatment = the AR of events in the treatment group (call this ART)
Absolute risk reduction = (ARC – ART) (call this ARR)
RR (relative risk) = ART / ARC
You can try your hand at the calculation of ARR
Note in this case you should see a negative ARR!
In this case , is it attributable risk?
Attributable risk = 0.012252
Number needed to harm NNH= 81.6
Attributable risk percent = 99.9%
thank you for your swift reply. Unfortunately that's not my area of expertise (as a psychologist/therapist I can tell you that many people did not take the Covid vaxx because they were so worried that they would die - though of course for some that is applicable - but mainly to 'do their bit' and because they were told that EVERYBODY needs to and IS (allegedly) doing this). I asked in the hope that someone could do the ARR calculation for monkeypox vaxx.
I had a course in statistics in (engineering)college and my main takeaway was, “wow- I had no idea there were so many ways to mathematically ‘spin’ things!”. It can get pretty convoluted.
I wish every high school would teach basic calculations such as relative vs absolute reduction. People would be empowered to make much better choices in their lives!
That was my main takeaway from my college stats class, as well.
This is why I take all numbers published in the media with a grain of salt.
Statisticians are like magicians. They can spin things in a million different ways, and the unsuspecting public is none the wiser.
I think it was Mark Twain: “There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.”
Relative risk reduction RRR= ARR/ARC..?
Thank you! I"m hoping carefully reading and re-reading this post along with watching and re-watching the videos in the IPAK Vaccine Math course, will help me wrap my mind around "Vaccine Math".
Thanks for including "Vaccine Math" in this post!!!
Yw Jean! More to come!
A look at the history of smallpox vaxxination ( ie. In ‘Dissolving illusions’ by Dr Suzanne Humphries ) describes how the smallpox vax caused MORE cases of what was diagnosed as smallpox and more deaths in the resulting epidemics than prior to the onset of the vax. There were also many cases of erisypelas and exzema vaccinatum which could cause excruciating death, as a result of the vaxxxine . The skin problems following the CV-19 vax. Could be a result of general immune system suppression or be due to an auto-immune attack on the desmogleins which are structures which normally hold the skin layers together- which would lead to skin breakdown and blistering. I believe that introducing a smallpox vaxxine to an immune -suppressed population ( following the degradation caused by cv-19 vaxx) has been planned to cause maximum devastation and that this maybe why Bill Gates gleefully predicted that we ‘would notice the next epidemic!!’It has been suggested that gay men tend to have more regular health check-ups which is why they get ‘tested for ‘ monkey -pox ( with a PCR-Test?!) more than the general population and as we know from the HIV/ AIDS debacle , they are a population prone to being discriminated against by certain members of the medical profession ( see ‘The Real Anthony Fauci ‘ by RFK jr , for example) . I believe that the only way a human can become affected by a zoonotic disease is when foreign matter is injected into us. ( e.g. Respiratory Syncitial Virus is actually , re-named Chimpanzee Choryza Virus , which is transferred via polio vaxxines .
It's no wonder, because all vaxxes are poison..and since there is no 'virus' to protect against, they can ONLY have negative effects on health.
There's a study which shows that vaxxed people in the US are on average 10x sicker than the unvaxxed.
I wonder why is that.. ?
Could it be that those who get vaccinated for monkeypox are also those more likely to engage in sexual practices that are more likely to lead to monkeypox infection?
Exactly what I was thinking.
I just realized I misread the original comment. I suspect people who took the monkeypox vaccine felt protected and therefore felt more comfortable engaging in high-risk behavior. What BAbbott said...
or at least those who were vaccinated believed themselves immune so didn't take any precautions that the rest of the unvaccinated population takes....?
Yep, that's a possible factor!
Cover for side affects/adverse events from CV19 jabs...
Want to stay away from Monkeypox?
It's simple: don't take the clog shots..
I thought it was spelled "Moneypox". The more you know.
What (respectfully) is going on?
Hypothesis A) MP vax is ineffective and those who took it are behaving as though it is effective
Hypothesis B) MP vax induces infection (for some period of time), i.e., has negative efficacy
Hypothesis C) MP vax’d engage in high-risk behaviour with a contagious partner during a temporary period of immune suppression
That’s all I have off the top of my head.
Are those engaged in risky behaviour more likely to get vaccinated and perhaps too late?
To add to others:
- Live vaccine causes infection directly, which may or may not be of clinical significance?
- Vaccine causes false-positives? (Or perhaps true positives that aren't of clinical significance)
All plausible. If vaccination causes transient immunosuppression, this could be factor. Diagnosis involves PCR, but they use bona fide controls per test, last I checked.
The protocol for monkeypox has shifted to the BS approach for COVID-19, it's a smoking gun.
During the first 2 weeks after injection, the drug actually suppresses the immune system and makes you more vulnerable to infection? This happened with Covid shots.