Liam and Mathew are great hosts. Dr. Steven Pelech and I get deep into perspectives on immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus - and even the issue of "the virus does not exist".
Thank you for contributing your wisdom and expertise! I loved being able to get you and Steve into the same "room" for the very first time. I look forward to speaking with you again, on and off the air.
I worry about the boot. We're holding nothing back.
Thank you so much for contributing your expertise. A lot of people need to hear you and Steven discuss this topic. Some important answers and some important questions remain. But at least we are identifying what public health officials will not.
I'm in the sars-cov-2 does most likely does not exist camp, indeed I do not believe any virion has been shown to exist as a disease causing agent.
I used to assume (prior to covid19) that orthodox virology was true because I had never bothered to actually listen to any sceptics or look at any contrary information.
If anyone shows me scientifically valid proof that a virus (as described by orthodox virologists) actually exists as an agent capable of infecting a cell, replicating, causing disease and then being spread to other hosts to do the same then I will change my view.
Some of the Doctors and scientists that say there is no proof that viruses exist as described by orthodox virologist have proposed a scientific challenge to settle the question.
Five orthodox labs from around the world will be supplied with identical samples from a person deemed to be healthy by qualified Doctors, a sample from a person deemed to have influenza A, a person deemed to have covid19, and a person diagnosed with lung cancer.
The five labs will be blinded as to which sample came from which person, the labs must not know which other labs are taking part.
Each lab will be tasked with identifying which samples came from which person, which are infected with virus particles and distinguish the influenza patient from the covid patient.
The five labs will also be asked to provide the genetic sequence for the influenza A and covid19 patient. If the methods of determining the genetic sequence of the claimed viral particles are valid then all five labs will produce exactly the same genetic sequences as the all the samples come from the same person tken at the same point in time.
If the labs fail to produce the exact same results (which correspond with reality) then this will be powerful evidence that orthodox virology is falsified.
Dr Tom Cowan and Dr Mark Bailey explain the viral challenge here.
Perhaps James can help facilitate this endeavour as it involves the application of pure science to solve an important question, the result of which would be very important.
If the evidence proves that I am wrong I will change my mind and thank you for helping me to come a little closer to the truth.
Yep. The idea these cute little pillow like graphic art images of the virus - are just that - and not a virus at all but a computer generated program may or may not be true. In the scope of things right now whether or not the virus is real is less important than the lies and con jobs devised to combat it. In March of 2020 I was told Amazon had done a study identifying the virus through UCSF (Zuckerberg Inc.). They sent me the paper proving this. I didn’t buy it, haven’t looked back, and don’t regret acting on these suspicions.
I think that it does matter. Otherwise Mathew, Steve & James would not be in the least worried about about what Tom, Andy, Mark or Sam had to say on the topic. But strangely they seem very concerned.
Having fully addressed the issue, do you or anyone you cite (who I don't know of and never heard of) have answers to the questions I posed? They are in the video.
Don't get me wrong. It is obviously important if the virus exists and how. The weaponization is of great concern. But, the fact remains, the reaction to this convenient crisis was far, far worse than the totalitarian fascist repression & medical reactions which resulted. And the widespread suspicion on the part of many that the virus doesn't even exist is warranted by these measures. Real medical and scientific information will have a difficult time until and unless these issues are resolved.
Hopefully there are measures to fix the "unfixable system". There will be survivors following this civilizational collapse and my money is on continued human evolution. Think though it will necessarily be done locally and in small groups by improving communication and ecosystems. If there is an America going forward it will need to return to strict constitutional faithfulness.There was a spirit connected with this document which is unparalleled when faithfully and exactly executed.
Such a post apocalyptic system won't be able to afford the drugs, vaccines and even hospitals of the germ theory system, up to 30% of the US spend currently. Add the military (conceivably part of the same thing) and you have over 50% of your budget.
Thank you for a wonderful podcast. I’m not entirely sure what to think about Mattias Desmet and all the theories - some controversy brewing - but I know I love the idea of alternative structures and I believe eventually truth and goodness will find a way through this quagmire. We have to, or at least I have to believe that no matter whether people have believed ( so many are our friends and family) in the vaccines/narrative or not there is something better on the other side for anyone willing to acknowledge the failure as well as the need for systemic change. It’s been around the traps but this graphic presentation appeared around a year ago and I’ve never forgotten how hopeful I felt when they revealed the parallel structures - it feels now that this is starting. Hope overrides peoples fear and if they can see another option they are far more likely to ask questions and resist this insanityThank you James - you are leading the way.
Does that matter at all? How much emphasis do you give this one? Because you know what it is don't you? Yes it's a version of the 'Appeal to Authority'. You should know these logical fallacies James as you studied them, remember?
I have yet to watch the video. I just downloaded it.
Not an appeal to authority, just informing you that you referenced people I don't know - so I can't be "concerned" about what they, specifically, are saying.
I got to 1 hour 14 mins and 32 seconds where your question was (summarised) 'How much evidence do you need? There is so much evidence that points to the virus. What's your test to actually falsify the statement 'the virus exists'. I've never seen them come up with a test to falsify the statement other than Koch's postulates which is a weak test'.
The test the sceptics have come up with is the one set out in my original post.
If five orthodox labs all identify the patients correctly according to their health status and if all five present the same genetic sequencing for the flu and the covid patient then that would show (for me) that orthodox virology has a sound basis.
If the five labs can't meet the challenge then at the very least it shows that the orthodox labs used are defective in some way or that orthodox virology has some serious problems.
Yes I started watching around there but fell asleep. I shall have another go at it. It's odd though that on these zoom calls that they have one host (Liam) another 'host' (Mathew) one ecologist (James, and I've yet to see the thesis that gives him his Dr and claim on ecologist) and an owner of a pharmaceutical company (Steven). Steven's the only one who can claim that he works in this area but I'd say that his company (https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/318604Z:CN) compromises his motivations.
Fallacy of authority much? I've been called so many things... having done ecological research in lowland Amazonian Ecuador, you just have to keep searching, I guess. After doing biomedical research since 2020, call me what you want, the principles of ecology are still fairly straight in the old noggin', as are the principles and foundations of evolutionary theory. Always regress to the degree, though, see how little that matters...
I think that your ecology is your driving force. And that you just think that the current culling is being done wrong. A little like Fast Eddy in that you oppose the culling but only if its of you and yours.
Dr has a habit of being misused as most people still think that it means medical doctor. I'd like to see your thesis to get an idea of what James Lyons was like in earlier days. There are a lot of extinction fans in extinction rebellion for example.
I think that you're wrong. I support a more sustainable world and think that it can easily be done with 8 billion people.
Thank you for contributing your wisdom and expertise! I loved being able to get you and Steve into the same "room" for the very first time. I look forward to speaking with you again, on and off the air.
I worry about the boot. We're holding nothing back.
Thank you so much for contributing your expertise. A lot of people need to hear you and Steven discuss this topic. Some important answers and some important questions remain. But at least we are identifying what public health officials will not.
Can we get James and Steve on Panda Open Science Mathew?
Why do you even bother with YouTube? You know they are going to demonetize or ban.
Just post to Rumble and let YouTube starve, for the benefit of us all.
Leaving a trail of links from YT to other sources until they act is a good way to draw attention away from their monpolization tool.
Thank you for letting us know about Mathew's podcast. Will listen on apple.
still stuck on zero ... yes, it does exist ... take it from a novice ...
I haven't watched the discussion yet but I will.
I'm in the sars-cov-2 does most likely does not exist camp, indeed I do not believe any virion has been shown to exist as a disease causing agent.
I used to assume (prior to covid19) that orthodox virology was true because I had never bothered to actually listen to any sceptics or look at any contrary information.
If anyone shows me scientifically valid proof that a virus (as described by orthodox virologists) actually exists as an agent capable of infecting a cell, replicating, causing disease and then being spread to other hosts to do the same then I will change my view.
Some of the Doctors and scientists that say there is no proof that viruses exist as described by orthodox virologist have proposed a scientific challenge to settle the question.
Five orthodox labs from around the world will be supplied with identical samples from a person deemed to be healthy by qualified Doctors, a sample from a person deemed to have influenza A, a person deemed to have covid19, and a person diagnosed with lung cancer.
The five labs will be blinded as to which sample came from which person, the labs must not know which other labs are taking part.
Each lab will be tasked with identifying which samples came from which person, which are infected with virus particles and distinguish the influenza patient from the covid patient.
The five labs will also be asked to provide the genetic sequence for the influenza A and covid19 patient. If the methods of determining the genetic sequence of the claimed viral particles are valid then all five labs will produce exactly the same genetic sequences as the all the samples come from the same person tken at the same point in time.
If the labs fail to produce the exact same results (which correspond with reality) then this will be powerful evidence that orthodox virology is falsified.
Dr Tom Cowan and Dr Mark Bailey explain the viral challenge here.
https://drtomcowan.com/pages/the-virus-challenge
Perhaps James can help facilitate this endeavour as it involves the application of pure science to solve an important question, the result of which would be very important.
If the evidence proves that I am wrong I will change my mind and thank you for helping me to come a little closer to the truth.
Yep. The idea these cute little pillow like graphic art images of the virus - are just that - and not a virus at all but a computer generated program may or may not be true. In the scope of things right now whether or not the virus is real is less important than the lies and con jobs devised to combat it. In March of 2020 I was told Amazon had done a study identifying the virus through UCSF (Zuckerberg Inc.). They sent me the paper proving this. I didn’t buy it, haven’t looked back, and don’t regret acting on these suspicions.
I think that it does matter. Otherwise Mathew, Steve & James would not be in the least worried about about what Tom, Andy, Mark or Sam had to say on the topic. But strangely they seem very concerned.
Having fully addressed the issue, do you or anyone you cite (who I don't know of and never heard of) have answers to the questions I posed? They are in the video.
Don't get me wrong. It is obviously important if the virus exists and how. The weaponization is of great concern. But, the fact remains, the reaction to this convenient crisis was far, far worse than the totalitarian fascist repression & medical reactions which resulted. And the widespread suspicion on the part of many that the virus doesn't even exist is warranted by these measures. Real medical and scientific information will have a difficult time until and unless these issues are resolved.
There is another path. Rather this fix the unfixable system due to corruption and its proven tendency toward totalitarianism (understatement), we build the alternative structures. See ipaknowledge.org, ipak-edu.org and https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/19
Hopefully there are measures to fix the "unfixable system". There will be survivors following this civilizational collapse and my money is on continued human evolution. Think though it will necessarily be done locally and in small groups by improving communication and ecosystems. If there is an America going forward it will need to return to strict constitutional faithfulness.There was a spirit connected with this document which is unparalleled when faithfully and exactly executed.
Such a post apocalyptic system won't be able to afford the drugs, vaccines and even hospitals of the germ theory system, up to 30% of the US spend currently. Add the military (conceivably part of the same thing) and you have over 50% of your budget.
So I suspect that it will be Terrain by default.
Thank you for a wonderful podcast. I’m not entirely sure what to think about Mattias Desmet and all the theories - some controversy brewing - but I know I love the idea of alternative structures and I believe eventually truth and goodness will find a way through this quagmire. We have to, or at least I have to believe that no matter whether people have believed ( so many are our friends and family) in the vaccines/narrative or not there is something better on the other side for anyone willing to acknowledge the failure as well as the need for systemic change. It’s been around the traps but this graphic presentation appeared around a year ago and I’ve never forgotten how hopeful I felt when they revealed the parallel structures - it feels now that this is starting. Hope overrides peoples fear and if they can see another option they are far more likely to ask questions and resist this insanityThank you James - you are leading the way.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=mass+psychosis+graphic&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-au&client=safari#imgrc=EdeSB1QiEVrHqM
Another resource is by Dr. Mark McDonald. The town square (internet) has been ablaze about mass psychosis, mass hysteria, from early 2020.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/59686636-united-states-of-fear
"who I don't know of and never heard of"
Does that matter at all? How much emphasis do you give this one? Because you know what it is don't you? Yes it's a version of the 'Appeal to Authority'. You should know these logical fallacies James as you studied them, remember?
I have yet to watch the video. I just downloaded it.
Not an appeal to authority, just informing you that you referenced people I don't know - so I can't be "concerned" about what they, specifically, are saying.
Tom Cowan, Sam and Mark Bailey, Andy Kaufmann.
I'm sure that you know them. Or at least know of them.
It's not just the exempt who should be allowed to say 'you can put your jab where the sun don't shine' James. It should be everyone.
I got to 1 hour 14 mins and 32 seconds where your question was (summarised) 'How much evidence do you need? There is so much evidence that points to the virus. What's your test to actually falsify the statement 'the virus exists'. I've never seen them come up with a test to falsify the statement other than Koch's postulates which is a weak test'.
The test the sceptics have come up with is the one set out in my original post.
If five orthodox labs all identify the patients correctly according to their health status and if all five present the same genetic sequencing for the flu and the covid patient then that would show (for me) that orthodox virology has a sound basis.
If the five labs can't meet the challenge then at the very least it shows that the orthodox labs used are defective in some way or that orthodox virology has some serious problems.
Yes I started watching around there but fell asleep. I shall have another go at it. It's odd though that on these zoom calls that they have one host (Liam) another 'host' (Mathew) one ecologist (James, and I've yet to see the thesis that gives him his Dr and claim on ecologist) and an owner of a pharmaceutical company (Steven). Steven's the only one who can claim that he works in this area but I'd say that his company (https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/318604Z:CN) compromises his motivations.
Fallacy of authority much? I've been called so many things... having done ecological research in lowland Amazonian Ecuador, you just have to keep searching, I guess. After doing biomedical research since 2020, call me what you want, the principles of ecology are still fairly straight in the old noggin', as are the principles and foundations of evolutionary theory. Always regress to the degree, though, see how little that matters...
I think that your ecology is your driving force. And that you just think that the current culling is being done wrong. A little like Fast Eddy in that you oppose the culling but only if its of you and yours.
Dr has a habit of being misused as most people still think that it means medical doctor. I'd like to see your thesis to get an idea of what James Lyons was like in earlier days. There are a lot of extinction fans in extinction rebellion for example.
I think that you're wrong. I support a more sustainable world and think that it can easily be done with 8 billion people.
Cheers, James.