Like every American who used any test for COVID-19 to date, he has been denied the right to informed consent on the risks and benefits of COVID-19 testing. All COVID-19 testing is experimental (EUA).
On industrial scale what would be the average cost to gene sample nasal swab for SC2? And would that even indicate an active infection? Isn’t there an immune marker in blood that would indicate “infection” so combined with gene sample could make positive call? 🙏
James--thank you for the factual presentation and remaining logical. I appreciate you acknowledge ad hominem attacks and don't perpetuate them yourself. My teacher once joked that it was wise to tell the truth and then quickly leave town. I appreciate that you have stuck around!
A theory I have heard is that this is smoke and mirrors. They are keeping him away from everyone for other reasons. Maybe his brain finally truly broke?
“How many more times will America suffer a month from hell because a President tests positive for COVID-19...” Every month with Biden is a month from hell. At least now we can jeer the fools and their rules that came back to bite them. Keep testing Joe!
He is only modelling behavior, forever sickness, forever testing, forever new drugs. He need not be sick or taking any meds to model this behavior. He was VP and knows what Fauci has been up to for decades; he is not taking the govs own poison, he would be even more 'dead' by now if he had.
Made me laugh. What about one and done. Have a little celebration for negative test. So everyone I know that has tested recently has tested more than once. If the bar vague or if it was negative.
So my comment replies to an article about false positives and my personal thought as to why natural infection was not recognized for lasting immunity at least early on. If the results were false positive or true positive for exposure, does that guarantee covid antibodies.
A positive PCR test pretty much guarantees exposure. A negative PCR test doesn't indicate no exposure. False negative rates are high.
If you have been exposed to covid, then you likely have natural immunity of some sort--it could be innate or humoral. If innate, you won't necessarily have antibodies in blood serum.
"been exposed to" is not even a valid interpretation of PCR. And a positive result does not even mean "active infections". Not even according to your deity, Fauci. "Dead nucleotides". Read more and come back.
There is no viral "mRNA" in blood serum. Just like finding of the virus in Chinese cats, mink farms in Europe and in the US, as well as in the White Tail Deer in the US all is false positive PCR results.
No, this is not true that a positive RT-qPCR test done from a nasopharyngeal or an oropharyngeal swab means that someone was exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Read the results of the CDC EPIC study published in 2015.
" Community-Acquired Pneumonia Requiring Hospitalization among U.S. Adults "
Looks like all that study says is that tests can't always find pathogens despite radiologic evidence of pneumonia.
"specimens were systematically collected for culture, serologic testing, antigen detection, and molecular diagnostic testing."
culture
serologic
antigen
molecular
I don't see PCR in the list of testing methods.
So what's your explanation for a positive PCR test? Sometimes you have false positives, but real false positives (where no nucleic acids exist at all) are rare and due to contamination typically.
By the way, I was involved in the planning and review of these projects until my retirement in 2013.
Molecular means PCR.
But let me guide you to a key conclusion of this paper. Click the link above to open Pubmed. Next, click a link on the top right NEJM Free Full Text. Again on the top right click PDF (509K). On Page 4, under LABORATORY TESTING there will be a lot about the PCR assays performed. The crucial information is in the Discussion, Page 8: "Moreover, molecular detection of viruses and atypical bacteria in the nasopharynx and oropharynx does not necessarily indicate causation and could represent infection that is limited to the upper respiratory tract or convalescent-phase shedding."
Causation of pneumonia, looks like, isn't necessarily shown by presence of pathogenic viral RNA.
So you are saying that PCR positive doesn't mean that there's an active infection? That's uncontroversial. PCR shouldn't be used to diagnose an active infection without cell culturing. Raoult showed the way to use PCR properly in diagnosis, as he did it in conjunction with cell culturing. And Raoult said not to waste your time culturing if the cycling stops above 34, since the likelihood that there is viable virus is tiny. But if there's SARS-COV-2 RNA in the nasopharynx, that's a pretty solid indicator that the person was exposed to SARS-COV-2 at some point in the past, even if the cycling goes above 34.
You might also find it interesting that in at least one case, covid viremia occurred before symptom onset. I'm sure you know how to find the paper yourself.
Do you mean, as opposed to the fools errand of running scared of a mythical contagious pathogen when no transmission has ever been proven.. I know which fools errand I prefer.
The deception of calamity must be perpetuated at all costs to rationality and truth, or the ability to control the cattle will be lost.
While more free speech is always a good thing, I do long for the days before social media where the amplified voices of the government's pool of useful idiots couldn't infect the country's majority with their polished nonsense.
Testing OCD is the new food pyramid. The power hungry want the masses to feel sick, so they can cure us all. And recently (say the past twenty years or so), they have succeeded.
Break away from the pharma/govt/insure cabal and get healthy again.
"I am once again, pointing out that the #costofthefalsepositives can be truly made zero by sequencing the virus from clinical samples from patients who test positive either by PCR or by antigen test. "
This needs support. Sequencing only shows that mRNA has been found, afaik.
If you really want to nail down whether you have live virus, cell culturing has to be done like Raoult suggested. That takes some Biosafety Level 3 labs. (Raoult got his on eBay, I think.)
If I am not mistaken you are referring to this study correct?
SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine
[Epidemiologic Analysis
To assess the epidemiologic features and transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in the context of this study, we obtained more than 95% complete viral genomes from 36 specimens obtained from 32 of 51 participants (62.7%) who had positive qPCR results for SARS-CoV-2; for 3 of these participants, genomes were recovered from samples obtained on more than one test day. Complete genomes could not be recovered from the other samples.]
Why is it that the authors still seem to consider that the gold standard is the PCR and not WGS? They seem to imply something like... "Complete genomes could not be recovered from the other True Positive COVID-19 cases".
Biden is an actor, just like the rest of the worlds puppet leaders pushing the PSYOP. They are ALL reading from the same script.
THE COVID-19 FRAUD and WAR ON HUMANITY
" Make no mistake, we are currently being assailed by a worldwide fraud of such scale and malevolence that it threatens our very existence as we know it on this planet " - Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John B
“Worlds so-called leaders are actors performing in One Giant Scripted PSYOP " We are NOW 2 years into a 5-year plan for the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the SOCIETY using Global Plandemics, Wars, Economic Collapse, and FOOD SHORTAGES.":
The testing perpetuates the pandemic, which is no longer a pandemic outside the testing. No testing.
Covid Hospitalizations in USA are back over 44K. Deaths 700 per day.
Flu?
How many doctors will give a flu diagnosis if doing so means losing their medical license?
Hospitalizations WITH covid or hospitalizations FROM covid?
What percent are vaccinated?
Are hospitals still pushing that dodgy Remdesivir and Paxlovid? Are they fighting treating with HCQ and IVM?
Why did hospitals stop placing vaccination status on the front page of patient charts?
Why did the CDC lump people who were injected with mRNA vaccines in with the unvaccinated category if they were still in the 14 day waiting period?
Rational questions all.
See the Johns Hopkins Covid Tracker. Never trust the CDC!!!!
So Hopkins reports covid hospitalizations somewhere? I haven't seen that on the site.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
...and that link doesn't show hospitalizations
Go to Regional Data.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
On my iPhone it doesn’t show the graphing so make sure to use computer.
For hospitalizations, this site looks better than some.
https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project
However, it doesn't track whether covid is incidental wrt the hospitalization.
Be careful with JH. They have deep ties to China.
And the USA doesn’t have “deep ties” with China???
dr. malone had an important post on this .... shame on fauci and his team and their "science" ....
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/paxlovid-escape-mutations?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
On industrial scale what would be the average cost to gene sample nasal swab for SC2? And would that even indicate an active infection? Isn’t there an immune marker in blood that would indicate “infection” so combined with gene sample could make positive call? 🙏
James--thank you for the factual presentation and remaining logical. I appreciate you acknowledge ad hominem attacks and don't perpetuate them yourself. My teacher once joked that it was wise to tell the truth and then quickly leave town. I appreciate that you have stuck around!
A theory I have heard is that this is smoke and mirrors. They are keeping him away from everyone for other reasons. Maybe his brain finally truly broke?
25A incoming...
You're probably right. The alternative is scarier than what we have now...
I seriously doubt he was given the bio weapon. Of course, his next “booster” might be real and put an end to the problem.
Shhhhhh! Don't tell him! Let us have what little enjoyment wriggles out of this mountain of bat guano!
“How many more times will America suffer a month from hell because a President tests positive for COVID-19...” Every month with Biden is a month from hell. At least now we can jeer the fools and their rules that came back to bite them. Keep testing Joe!
He is only modelling behavior, forever sickness, forever testing, forever new drugs. He need not be sick or taking any meds to model this behavior. He was VP and knows what Fauci has been up to for decades; he is not taking the govs own poison, he would be even more 'dead' by now if he had.
“The fact is that all Americans citizens who test are still at risk of their own personal lockdown.”
So true. Both physically AND psychologically.
Got a friend. He caught a cold a couple of weeks back. He tested himself three times during the sniffles session. THREE.
They've become their own worst enemies.
Made me laugh. What about one and done. Have a little celebration for negative test. So everyone I know that has tested recently has tested more than once. If the bar vague or if it was negative.
Virtue signaling like driving an electric car. Helps overcome negative self-image.
I always felt natural immunity wasn’t an exemption for the shot because of high PCR false positive. Or back in 2020, doctors prognosis over the phone.
Thanks for keeping it real!
You are wrong. A PCR positive covid test almost always means that someone has been exposed to covid.
So my comment replies to an article about false positives and my personal thought as to why natural infection was not recognized for lasting immunity at least early on. If the results were false positive or true positive for exposure, does that guarantee covid antibodies.
A positive PCR test pretty much guarantees exposure. A negative PCR test doesn't indicate no exposure. False negative rates are high.
If you have been exposed to covid, then you likely have natural immunity of some sort--it could be innate or humoral. If innate, you won't necessarily have antibodies in blood serum.
"been exposed to" is not even a valid interpretation of PCR. And a positive result does not even mean "active infections". Not even according to your deity, Fauci. "Dead nucleotides". Read more and come back.
So what's the alternative to viral mRNA in blood serum coming from a virus at some point in the past? Magic? Martians?
Fauci should be tried for fraud and RICO and failing to register as a Chinese agent.
There is no viral "mRNA" in blood serum. Just like finding of the virus in Chinese cats, mink farms in Europe and in the US, as well as in the White Tail Deer in the US all is false positive PCR results.
Read my comment above.
No, this is not true that a positive RT-qPCR test done from a nasopharyngeal or an oropharyngeal swab means that someone was exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Read the results of the CDC EPIC study published in 2015.
EPIC Study Adults
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172429/
" Community-Acquired Pneumonia Requiring Hospitalization among U.S. Adults "
Looks like all that study says is that tests can't always find pathogens despite radiologic evidence of pneumonia.
"specimens were systematically collected for culture, serologic testing, antigen detection, and molecular diagnostic testing."
culture
serologic
antigen
molecular
I don't see PCR in the list of testing methods.
So what's your explanation for a positive PCR test? Sometimes you have false positives, but real false positives (where no nucleic acids exist at all) are rare and due to contamination typically.
By the way, I was involved in the planning and review of these projects until my retirement in 2013.
Molecular means PCR.
But let me guide you to a key conclusion of this paper. Click the link above to open Pubmed. Next, click a link on the top right NEJM Free Full Text. Again on the top right click PDF (509K). On Page 4, under LABORATORY TESTING there will be a lot about the PCR assays performed. The crucial information is in the Discussion, Page 8: "Moreover, molecular detection of viruses and atypical bacteria in the nasopharynx and oropharynx does not necessarily indicate causation and could represent infection that is limited to the upper respiratory tract or convalescent-phase shedding."
Please do not hesitate to ask more questions.
Causation of pneumonia, looks like, isn't necessarily shown by presence of pathogenic viral RNA.
So you are saying that PCR positive doesn't mean that there's an active infection? That's uncontroversial. PCR shouldn't be used to diagnose an active infection without cell culturing. Raoult showed the way to use PCR properly in diagnosis, as he did it in conjunction with cell culturing. And Raoult said not to waste your time culturing if the cycling stops above 34, since the likelihood that there is viable virus is tiny. But if there's SARS-COV-2 RNA in the nasopharynx, that's a pretty solid indicator that the person was exposed to SARS-COV-2 at some point in the past, even if the cycling goes above 34.
You might also find it interesting that in at least one case, covid viremia occurred before symptom onset. I'm sure you know how to find the paper yourself.
That's pure BS, like most post-2020 publications. You may not understand the pitfalls of RT-qPCR done by idiots.
Do you mean, as opposed to the fools errand of running scared of a mythical contagious pathogen when no transmission has ever been proven.. I know which fools errand I prefer.
The deception of calamity must be perpetuated at all costs to rationality and truth, or the ability to control the cattle will be lost.
While more free speech is always a good thing, I do long for the days before social media where the amplified voices of the government's pool of useful idiots couldn't infect the country's majority with their polished nonsense.
Testing OCD is the new food pyramid. The power hungry want the masses to feel sick, so they can cure us all. And recently (say the past twenty years or so), they have succeeded.
Break away from the pharma/govt/insure cabal and get healthy again.
"I am once again, pointing out that the #costofthefalsepositives can be truly made zero by sequencing the virus from clinical samples from patients who test positive either by PCR or by antigen test. "
This needs support. Sequencing only shows that mRNA has been found, afaik.
If you really want to nail down whether you have live virus, cell culturing has to be done like Raoult suggested. That takes some Biosafety Level 3 labs. (Raoult got his on eBay, I think.)
Hi Dr. James Lyons-Weiler,
If I am not mistaken you are referring to this study correct?
SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine
[Epidemiologic Analysis
To assess the epidemiologic features and transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in the context of this study, we obtained more than 95% complete viral genomes from 36 specimens obtained from 32 of 51 participants (62.7%) who had positive qPCR results for SARS-CoV-2; for 3 of these participants, genomes were recovered from samples obtained on more than one test day. Complete genomes could not be recovered from the other samples.]
Why is it that the authors still seem to consider that the gold standard is the PCR and not WGS? They seem to imply something like... "Complete genomes could not be recovered from the other True Positive COVID-19 cases".
Kind Regards,
Agustín.
He isolated with his dog. Has anyone tested the dog?
Biden is an actor, just like the rest of the worlds puppet leaders pushing the PSYOP. They are ALL reading from the same script.
THE COVID-19 FRAUD and WAR ON HUMANITY
" Make no mistake, we are currently being assailed by a worldwide fraud of such scale and malevolence that it threatens our very existence as we know it on this planet " - Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John B
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-covid-19-fraud-and-war-on-humanity
“Worlds so-called leaders are actors performing in One Giant Scripted PSYOP " We are NOW 2 years into a 5-year plan for the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the SOCIETY using Global Plandemics, Wars, Economic Collapse, and FOOD SHORTAGES.":
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/tracking-the-unvaccinated-canadas