I'm so old that I remember when there was no measles vaccine and we all got measles. Literally everyone I knew got it. And guess what...no one I knew died. Of course, the snowflakes of today think measles is a death sentence. No one knows anything about history. Not much different than a discussion I had with a Plotkin disciple who told me that the flu was a deadly disease.
We must be of the same generation. When my brother and I caught the measles a neighbor mom sent her son over to play with us in our house so he could catch them and get it over with. He was 5 just like me.
I was reading recently on MMR, specifically regarding when to give the MMR. I ran across this study (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7026886/) which provides evidence that giving the MMR vaccines early, defined as before 18 months (the US gives the first dose at 12 months, while nations like Sweden give the first dose at 18 months) results in reduced anti-measles IgG. Since the strains we are seeing are still similar to the vaccine, perhaps we should be questioning why we are not giving the vaccine at the optimal age.
One comment. You state, "The MMR vaccine appears to protect against severe illness." Based on 9 cases?
Measles is not a severe (hospitilaztion or death) for approximately 99% (or more) who become ill with measles. And the number is lower for those treated (vitamin A). We don't have good mortality numbers because we don't have a reasonable deminator pre-vaccine--the mortality of 10% is due to only looking at reported cases which would mostly be hospitilized when the vast majority became ill from and recovered from measles at home.
The vax has the dead or live injection of mumps and rubella right? I got that when I was young. Is there a separate one just for measles? Isn’t that better to just hv one shot for one infection than three for three? Are these infections viral or bacterial?
Just like covid, the only people scared were the ones soaking up the establishment slop from tv, and assuming that it was gospel and true. Very few do the research any more to know the difference between real health and fear porn, with mass media front running the psyop for the medical cartels who profit from it…-while real doctors with their careers on the line are banned and ridiculed for daring to speak truth.
I wonder if another possible reason for breakthrough infection could be persistent/recurring presence of SARS-CoV-2 Spike proteins (jab or wild type). This review paper https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10973921/ suggests that Spike interferes with the type-I IFN response. Would that be implicated in increased susceptibility to measles infection?
Thank you for your insights. The reason vit A is not used often in the US (and probably other developed countries) is because it has't been shown to help morbidity or mortality in the general population, barring some nutritional deficiency which can happen. If there is credible data in the US or Europe that vit A helps decrease measles severity in developed countries, I would like to have those references. Thank you! Ricardo Bartelme, MD
NYC good enough? >>Children with no known prior vitamin A deficiency exhibited a significant decline in their serum retinol levels during the acute phase of measles.<<
This article proves you don't really know anything about medicine, infectious disease, or epidemiology. I'll remind you of how wrong this article was in 6 months. I'm sure you'll be happy to hear from me again.
This is interesting observational study that can only show an association, but doesn't show that giving high dose Vit A prevents bad complications or severity in acute measles in the US. It may well do this, and this study is suggestive, but it has shown Vit A to be clinically useful in the US. The association found may be due other confounding factors such as poverty or poor social determinants of health. High dose Vit A is still worth a try in vulnerable US children and adults. Unfortunately, there is a paywall to get the full study to read and analyze.
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I'm so old that I remember when there was no measles vaccine and we all got measles. Literally everyone I knew got it. And guess what...no one I knew died. Of course, the snowflakes of today think measles is a death sentence. No one knows anything about history. Not much different than a discussion I had with a Plotkin disciple who told me that the flu was a deadly disease.
We must be of the same generation. When my brother and I caught the measles a neighbor mom sent her son over to play with us in our house so he could catch them and get it over with. He was 5 just like me.
That was really common back in the day. Mothers in their 20's and 30's now would probably have a stroke hearing that.
I've told them them what we did "back in the day". Lots of big eyes. They probably thought I was also treated with leaches.
PS - my mother was an RN.
My mother darkened the dining room and set up cots for the three of us. I have happy memories of measles.
Mother read to us: Bambi and Hans Brinker and the Silver Skates.
I was reading recently on MMR, specifically regarding when to give the MMR. I ran across this study (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7026886/) which provides evidence that giving the MMR vaccines early, defined as before 18 months (the US gives the first dose at 12 months, while nations like Sweden give the first dose at 18 months) results in reduced anti-measles IgG. Since the strains we are seeing are still similar to the vaccine, perhaps we should be questioning why we are not giving the vaccine at the optimal age.
Another fantastic article amongst many!
One comment. You state, "The MMR vaccine appears to protect against severe illness." Based on 9 cases?
Measles is not a severe (hospitilaztion or death) for approximately 99% (or more) who become ill with measles. And the number is lower for those treated (vitamin A). We don't have good mortality numbers because we don't have a reasonable deminator pre-vaccine--the mortality of 10% is due to only looking at reported cases which would mostly be hospitilized when the vast majority became ill from and recovered from measles at home.
David Brownstein MD
There are other data, but thats not the main point of this article. Thanks for the discourse, though! Good point!
100,000 more people will die from the malfeasance of the medical mafia than from measles in any given year.
The vax has the dead or live injection of mumps and rubella right? I got that when I was young. Is there a separate one just for measles? Isn’t that better to just hv one shot for one infection than three for three? Are these infections viral or bacterial?
Just like covid, the only people scared were the ones soaking up the establishment slop from tv, and assuming that it was gospel and true. Very few do the research any more to know the difference between real health and fear porn, with mass media front running the psyop for the medical cartels who profit from it…-while real doctors with their careers on the line are banned and ridiculed for daring to speak truth.
I wonder if another possible reason for breakthrough infection could be persistent/recurring presence of SARS-CoV-2 Spike proteins (jab or wild type). This review paper https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10973921/ suggests that Spike interferes with the type-I IFN response. Would that be implicated in increased susceptibility to measles infection?
Thank you for your insights. The reason vit A is not used often in the US (and probably other developed countries) is because it has't been shown to help morbidity or mortality in the general population, barring some nutritional deficiency which can happen. If there is credible data in the US or Europe that vit A helps decrease measles severity in developed countries, I would like to have those references. Thank you! Ricardo Bartelme, MD
NYC good enough? >>Children with no known prior vitamin A deficiency exhibited a significant decline in their serum retinol levels during the acute phase of measles.<<
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1436764/
This article proves you don't really know anything about medicine, infectious disease, or epidemiology. I'll remind you of how wrong this article was in 6 months. I'm sure you'll be happy to hear from me again.
This is interesting observational study that can only show an association, but doesn't show that giving high dose Vit A prevents bad complications or severity in acute measles in the US. It may well do this, and this study is suggestive, but it has shown Vit A to be clinically useful in the US. The association found may be due other confounding factors such as poverty or poor social determinants of health. High dose Vit A is still worth a try in vulnerable US children and adults. Unfortunately, there is a paywall to get the full study to read and analyze.
In your conclusion you state:
`Treatments and therapies that destroy the virus without pharmacological monopolies`
Can you please elaborate on the treatment and therapies that destroy the virus? Is this solely the Vit A treatment and antibiotics?